In another note and video we show various ways to get accurate time and demonstrate that these various sources do indeed give the same time, which took some coordination of sources. That article includes a 2015 rate measurement of a Timex quartz watch, done in a way similar to what is described here.
For now we illustrate the process of measuring the rate of a watch, in part to support our GPS Backup Kit that includes a rated watch. This shows the method we use to rate the watches we include in those kits. Chances are, some users of that kit will have their own quartz watch, which is probably more sophisticated (and expensive!) than the one we include. However, it is also just as likely that the watch in hand does not have a known rate. It is likely right to the nearest minute, but for cel nav we need to know UTC accurate to the second. Ask yourself now how much you would bet that the watch on your arm—or a crew member's arm—is accurate to the second, or that its rate is known the the correction can be computed.
On the other hand, these days it is actually not as likely that someone is wearing a watch as it was 10 years ago. Many folks have replaced watches with cellphone time, which is accurate when connected to a network. However, once we head off to sea, it is prudent to go back to wearing a traditional watch, preferably with known rate.
We start by setting all the watches to the same time, in this case, within ± 0.5s. The standard source for UTC used here is an iWatch connected to a cellphone network. We have confirmed that the watch is indeed ticking off the correct UTC seconds—although we did notice that every once in a while it appeared to hesitate a fraction of a second at the transition, but this did not affect its transition for the following second. Note iOS products default to using network time, but many Android phones do not, so you have to turn that on in settings, else the phone could be off by quite a lot.
So with a wireless connection to your phone, it will likely be the most convenient source of accurate time. Or your computer time when linked to the internet. Computers and watches off shore away from any wireless connection, however, are essentially just stand alone watches, although in principle they should have a clock circuit in them that would be as good as a random quartz watch.
Off shore—or on land, for that matter—the primary source of accurate UTC is a GPS signal, which includes UTC as well as your position. GPS is the source the phone and internet companies rely on to provide us with accurate time on our devices.
We are effectively using the GPS here to rate a watch in preparation for losing the GPS. That is, we are talking here about rating a watch so we can do accurate celestial navigation, which would typically mean that for some reason we have lost all GPS navigation.
Below shows the watches lined up on Day 1 when they were set. The iWatch is on ZD = +7, so it was on day July 6, while the others are set to UTC, which would be 7 hr later on July 7.
The three Casios are model F-91W, which is perhaps the most famous of all watches. It is at least very popular. Dating from 1991, they are still popular and sell for $10 (Walmart or Amazon), with millions having been sold globally. They are water resistant, with a 7-year battery. The only weakness is this type of resin band, which if worn daily will only last a year or so before they harden and break. It is easy to replace the band with a more durable style. Also the light in them is not very useful; but they are accurate watches, known to last for many years. The other is a Timex Expedition with several ocean crossings to its credit. Essentially this same model is available today for about $32. Its virtues are a super good light (Indiglo, a timex innovation) and true waterproof. Two time zones are also standard, but not needed. They are, however, no more accurate than the F-91Ws, as is the case with most quartz watches.
Next we want to start a notebook to keep track of the data. (If you use spreadsheets, the notebook data can be later transferred to the computer as a good way to organize the data and maybe make a graph of the results.) We do not need any special math for this exercise. We find time differences, then then divide by some time period to get the rate in seconds per, say, 10 days. This can all be done perfectly well with a few written notes in your logbook.
Here is the second data point two days later.
So far we have not learned much, but this will take a couple weeks. For best values it will take longer. Good timekeeping would call for us checking and recording its error to extend the rate measurement as long as we have accurate UTC available.
This check does not have to be done every day, but some regular check every 3 days or so will lead to a better evaluation—see, for example, the plot of watch error vs time given in the link above. It will also be clear, even on the second data point, that the seconds do not turn over on the watches (test case and reference time) simultaneously, so we are only ± 0.5s at this point. A way to get around this is illustrated below.
After a while it won't matter much if you are off ± 0.5 sec on each reading, we can still get a good average value over an extended time. But if you care to home in on the rate more quickly, then one trick that is a good estimate of the fractions of a second is to take a series of rapid cell phone pics of the two time sources. In this case is would be a phone taking a series of pictures like the one above. Then make a table as shown below, this one made on the 7th day. It shows the watch errors from 8 pics, each taken just as the iWatch changed seconds.
Remember we are after the correction we apply to the watch to get UTC, so a positive number means we add this to the watch time; negative, we subtract it. In this example, in the second pic of watch B, it read 2 second below the iWatch standard, so it is a +2. Now we can summarize what we have to date.
The time difference between first and latest times in decimal days (dT) is figured from the times converted to decimal days (d.dd), which can be adequately approximated as d.dd = d + h/24. The "10d-rate" is latest watch error (WE) divided by time elapsed since setting (dT).
We don't have good rates yet, but we have learned a lot. First, these $10 Casio F-91W classic watches (A, B, C) are indeed very good. They are all gaining time (except maybe C, which is spot on after 7.8 days), but at a very low rate, and the Timex Expedition is losing time. So far it looks like -2.3 s/10 days, but it is too early to tell.
I will post this note now, and then update it every few days till we get convincing rates. We should know these pretty well in another week or so... but again, for best cel nav practice, this should be considered an ongoing process where you keep a record of the watch error and date, from which you can continually update the rate... or better put, home in on a more and more accurate rate.
If you are using your own phone to compare to a watch, then you would need a second phone to take the pics. Or hang the phone over a computer monitor and use pictures of that for the series, such as shown below. That is in fact how we did it for the rating example in our Celestial Navigation textbook in Figure 11.5-2. Most computers have some option to show the time on the screen... again we have to assume you have internet connections and have the system clock set to update automatically.
I will return to this post every few days for a while to update the rates. For those following it, you will then see how the accuracy of the rate improves with time—or better still, find a watch and rate it yourself as an exercise in practical cel nav.
But looking ahead, here is what we are after (using new timing numbers):
We want to know the rate of the navigation watch and the date we set it. Say it turns out to be +2.4 s every 10 days, and we set it to have no error on Aug 8. Then on Dec 3 we want to know the watch error so we can find a correct UTC.
First we figure the number of days between Dec 3 and Aug 8. You can count this out, or use the day numbers from the back of the Nautical Almanac—yes, there is such a table there, probably originally for this very purpose, although there are quite a bit of data in the Almanac that was at one time used frequently that we don't use much these days.
Dec 3 (day 337) - Aug 8 (day 220) is 117 days. Then 117d x 2.4/10d = 28.1s. We read the time from the watch and add 28 seconds to get the right watch time, then we add the zone description (ZD) of the watch to get UTC. The ZD might be, for example, ZD = +4h, corresponding to EDT.
Belt and suspenders.
We are wearing the watch (watch time, WT) we navigate by, and it is set to ZD = +4. That, by definition, means UTC = WT + 4h, assuming no watch error (WE). But we know all watches gain or lose time at some rate. In this case we know the rate is +2.4s every 10 days, and we set the watch to the correct ZD+4 time on Aug 8. It is now Dec 3.
We did a sun sight and the WT was 18:20:05. So we add 28s (as noted above) to get 18:20:33 on Dec 3. Then we add 4h to get 22:20:33 as the correct UTC to use when we look up data in the Nautical Almanac.
The data tables below will be updated every few days, with comments on progress. The date of last entry is given in the table, which is effectively the update of this data.
The first is, if you want to home in on the rate within just 2 or 3 weeks, then the photo method is crucial. We had to throw out the first two B and C data points that were not taken that way. In other words, you can't be wrong by a large fraction of a second and hope to learn anything in a day or two when the rate is barely 1 second every 10 days. The photo method works fine to get this to the tenth.
Here is a review of that method. We take 10 cel nav pics each time the base watch switches seconds, which means even trying that we are random over that second on the pics. Samples are below.
Then we look at each pic to read off how many seconds do we have to add or subtract to that watch reading to get the iWatch value... which is a tested accurate time. From that we make a scratch paper list as shown below.
This is easy to average. For watch B, for example, it is (10*3 + 6)/10 = 3.6 which is added to the main table above. Takes seconds to do the pics, maybe 5 min to read each and write them down, and another few minutes to add to the table. So the full process to do 7 watches is about 10 min, which only has to be done every 4 days or so about 5 times.
That is all the good news learned so far.
The bad news is, I forgot the iWatch and used my iPhone for the master for the first 7/14 measurement, and discovered that coincidentally for the time of the measurements the iPhone was off by 1 second. This could be spotted after doing the above exercise and noting the data did not make sense. It was obvious something was wrong, and that was the issue. Later that day, we did it again with the iWatch after getting it, and that is the second 7/14 entry in the table. In the first one, I adjusted all the measurements by 1 second.
I had checked this iPhone for accurate time very many times over several years, and it was always spot on. So this was a rare observation. And, about one hour later, it was magically right back on the correct time to the second. Nevertheless, this is an important observation in this game.
This is effectively the end of this article. We will add new data in a week or so, but i am guessing we know the rates. We also bid farewell to Watch A, which is off today in one of our Backup Kits for a world cruise, standing by to help the skipper if called upon. Here is a copy of the certificate that went with the watch.
This type of plot can be made when the data are put into a spreadsheet, and fitting it with a curve is a bit better than just using the first and last points, but the rate in this case are the same, 1.227 vs the 1.2 we are calling it.
We have now rated 9 Casio F91-W watches over several months. We find these 10-day rates: +1.18, +1.68, -1.40, +0.15, +0.47, -0.83, -0.05, -3.36, -1.16. These are the number of seconds gained or lost per 10 days. Not counting the best (0.05) and the worst (3.36) the average is 0.98 sec/10 days. We use exclusively now the 10 cell phone picture method to get the error to a tenth of a second on each measurement. We also learned to get early results we cannot assume the first setting was to 0.0 exactly. Thus set it to the best possible, then take 10 pics and record the errors to the tenth, then incorporate that offset in the rate computation. At some point we should streamline this article on the procedure with what we have learned. On the other hand, if you can wait a month or so, that initial error washes out. Keep in mind we are trying to get the rate accurate enough that the time can be figured accurately after several months of not setting.
ReplyDeleteHi David, I am using this method to rate a couple of watches for a transatlantic crossing. I wonder if there isn't a math error in your table, though. Shouldn't the formula for the 10d rate be:
ReplyDelete10d-rate = (ending_watch_error - beginning_watch_error) / dT * 10
For example, for watch C, this would be:
10d-rate = (-1.5 - 1.0) / 17.6 * 10
10d-rate = -1.4
You don't need the beginning_watch_error bit if it is zero, but for C, it seems you do need it to get an accurate 10d-rate.
What do you think?
Love your blog, which is incredibly useful. Thanks,
-- John
Thanks for the note and kind words. I am not sure what was computed in those Excel cells at the time this was captured. It looks to me that C was set on july 14 and then on July 24 it was -1.5s, ie slow. so the correction would be +1.5/10 = +0.15 s per 10 days. As it turns out that watch went out the door as part of one of our GPS Backup Kits on Sept 18 with a rate of +0.161 s/10 days. Now we use day of the year (DOY) for all reckoning which makes the process a bit simpler.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to contact helpdesk@starpath.com we can send the actual data we have on record for watch C. You are right. There was clearly something wrong with the 0.9 shown in that table.
ReplyDeleteI have checked recently the influence of air temperature on my five Casio F-91W watches that are used as a part of my GPS Backup Kit. I didn't like the results very much. On average they were loosing time with 10 day ratio of ~2 seconds at 0 Celsius degrees and they were gaining time with 10 day ratio of ~7 seconds at 30 Celsius degrees. On average it was ~4.5 seconds for 15 Celsius degrees, so it was a linear, or very close, function of air temperature.
ReplyDeleteThanks for these valuable observations.
ReplyDeleteFirst, may I ask if you purchased the GPS Backup Kit from us? We provide only 1 rated F-91 with that kit. If so, what was the s/n of the watch? It is just the 2 letter label on the back of it, such as S11.
Our rates on the watches are always done only at room temp, which here is about 23C, never more than ± 1º. We do not have experience with other temperatures. Although it is tricky when considering a backup kit with watch inside, we teach that the navigator should wear the watch they navigate with. That puts the watch onto a heat sink of the body, which largely moderates temperature changes.
Next question is how long were the rating periods, ie over 30 days or 100 days etc. We also find that after getting a, say, 10-day rate, consider starting again and go for another 20 or 30 days. We also learned over the years now, that the rates even of these excellent watches do indeed drift very slightly. Thus a rate measured over 200 days might not be quite as good as one over the past 50 days. We have some we have watched for over two years, being a couple remarkable ones that do not seem to drift at all! But a couple we watched for about 200 days we found were better rated using the last 50 days. This can effect the 10-day rate on these watches by several tenths of a second.
Your average of 4.5s /10 days is larger than we observe. We have done about 50 of these over the past 3 years and the rates vary from 0.03 to 3.4. The average is about 1.4 with roughly same number above and below, in a linear distribution. But I should stress that it does not matter if the rate is 0.4 or 1.4 or 4.4 as long as it is constant. To confirm this we need to check them every few days over 60 days and then reanalyze in steps of 20 days... ie 0 to 20 rate, 20 to 40 rate and then 40 to 60 rate.
Standing by to learn more about this and thanks again for your comments.
Thanks again for these valuable details. From a practical point of view, it reminds us if we do sail to areas of extreme temperatures (Arctic, or middle of the Pacific High in the burning sun) then we need to keep in mind this effect. Planning for such travel, we would be best to take the watches out of the kit and monitor their rates as long as we have GPS connections. Their value, after all, only comes into play when we lose the GPS. Then when we lose the GPS we will know the best rate to use, and in extreme cases we may need to decide which one we will rely on and wear is close to the body to maintain a steady temp.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree. This is the best we can do about it. And based on the observations made with my F-91Ws one can expect ~0.4 second deviation of the 10 day rate for each 1C temperature deviation from the "normal temperature". So keeping the watches at possibly the most stable temperature and observing and noting their 10 day rates is of crucial importance, as long as the GPS is available.
ReplyDeleteI would like to add that after I had removed the watches from the fridge, they ran for 30 days at a normal temperature of 21C ± 1º, and their 10 day rates returned to the same values as before the fridge episode.
NowI am tempted to check the 10 day rates of my F-91Ws in a refrigerator, at -20C :-)
There is a line of expensive watches, the Seiko Astron series, that are solar powered (can last 6 months in a drawer when it starts fully charged). These have a GPS satellite antenna built into the watch which syncs it perfectly. Seiko claims that if the Astron is synced frequently enough, it is accurate to 1 second per 100,000 years. Syncing can occur on a whim I think. If the watch goes unsynced, it is accurate to +/- 15 seconds a month, not all that great.
ReplyDeleteThe Dual Time models have a small watch face on the dial in addition to the large main dial. Each of these can be set to any time zone independently of each other. You can flip flop the time zones between the two faces easily.
Seems like this might be ideal for a navigator/well-heeled watch aficionado in that the small face could always be set to GMT and the larger one to your local time. When crossing time zones, the syncing would update the large face. When it came time to take a sextant sight, you could flip the smaller GMT time to the larger face for easier reading (and flop it back later). If the watch failed to sync oer an extended number of days, you'd know what day syncing stopped and could track the number of days ago this occurred to track WE from that time forward (so long as you had determined WE without the sync beforehand).
I wonder if serious navigators ever buy the Seiko Astron in order to simplify (slightly) calculations and to indulge an interest in horology as tied to navigation. Your thoughts?
Thanks for the interesting note. I cannot imagine that this is worth the cost of about $1,800. Might as well just buy another GPS ($100) or an Apple Watch with a GPS in it... it does not sync the GPS time, but does tell you where you are for $300 or so, plus tons more functions than the astro watch. If you have a GPS position you do not need the time, but you get it anyway as a bonus.... Note that the ad statement "accurate to 1 sec per 100,000 years" is non-sense... should cause us to wonder about the whole project.
ReplyDeleteThe question about the GPS synced watch got me thinking in the other direction- mechanical watches - and whether a quartz watch would survive a lightning strike? I believe there is a bit of electronics in a quartz watch that might end up as fried as the GPSs, which are presumably why we are bothering with sextants and chronometers in the first place! I survived my Atlantic crossing with my rated quartz watch, but if I’d thought of this question beforehand, I might have tried to rate a decent mechanical watch, which is probably a lot trickier, due to speed variations due to spring tension? I really don’t know!
ReplyDeleteMy first reaction to the idea of a GPS watch was, well what happens if it gets fried with the rest of the electronics in a lightning strike? That would not be ideal for the GPS-backup plan.
ReplyDeleteMy next thought was about the 2 quartz watches and ship's clock that I carefully rated before our Atlantic crossing two years ago. My objective was to be able to continue to sail and navigate even if we had no electronics or battery power, after a lightning strike or other disaster.
Would a quartz watch actually survive a lightning strike? Or would it's delicate electronics be just as fried by the electronic pulse of the lightning strike, as everything else on the boat?
Should I have been carrying a mechanical watch or chronometer, instead?
I haven't been able to find any mention of watches being fried in lightning strikes, probably because most strikes are on unoccupied boats at dock, or because the loss of a cheap watch is trivial compared to all the rest of the blackened electronics.
Any speculation on the survivability of quartz watches? Are they really suitable for a GPS backup kit?
Luckily, we had no such problems, but now I'm wondering if that was a big hole in my plan?
What do you think?
-- John
We always recommend you wear the watch you are navigating with for several reasons, one you have it when you need it and two your body serves as a heat sink to maintain a constant watch temp, since the rates do depend on temp.
ReplyDelete...with that said, if the watch suffered from a lightning strike, you would likely have more serious things to worry about than correct time!